Two people with two completely different types…
—This is a thirty minutes open conversation project. Vol.1 was with Ruki (the GazettE) and Shou (Alice Nine) who’s so nervous for the first conversation was with the senior.
[Shou] That time, eh. :D yeah, I was so nervous. Because he’s a senior.
[Takeru] I know right. I admire RUKI-san very much. I really want to talk to him if I meet him, but, is he scary?
[Shou] No, he’s an open minded person, and he’s so nice. Even though I’m a junior, I talk like this, but he really has this sweet attitude. Evidently, even I grew in a vertical social life structure; it was not something that I can be proud of.
[Takeru] Ah, yeah. I understand.
—even though all of you are in the same company, but there’s almost no opportunity to see each other, isn’t there?
[Shou] No, no opportunity. Even though we frequently involved in the same events, but because we have no time to talk, so… yeah…
—In other words, this is the opportunity for Shou-kun to be able to speak with Takeru-kun.
[Takeru] Thank you! I’m so happy!
[Shou] me too. I think, you’re an interesting person. Always, I thought to try to talk properly. There’s this time in a magazine, even though I ever talked to three people with Shin (ViViD) too, I didn’t know Takeru more than that. I think; I want to know him more.
[Takeru] But, in the company, we’re only being able to receive a dinner invitation together from the senior, Shou-san!
[Shou] Ah, yes, it was. Long ago, if someone invited me, I would definitely go. :D But, because there are still a lot of extraneous things, today, I want to talk little by little.
[Takeru] Of course! I look forward to talking with you!
[Shou] I love history. In history, I thought whether Takeru was like Oda Nobunaga or not. If項羽 (read: Kou’u*) and劉邦 (read: Ryuuhou**), Takeru would definitely insisted to order his subordinate to retreat; I thought, was he the type who had the skill with same level as Kao’u or not. In Ryuuhou’s casem he didn’t have skills, but he’s the type who got a lot of favor from his subordinate, right? Because, I think to myself, maybe between me and Takeru, we have a very contrast character. What do you think? I’m the type who will see the partner’s movement first, but Takeru has more charisma, and maybe more to the dominant type.
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*Kou’u: (in Chinese: Xiang Yu) (232SM-202SM) figure in Qin Dynasty era who was very smart in war strategy.
**Ryuuhou: (in Chinese: Liu Bang (Hanzi)) (247SM-195SM) was the founder and then became the first emperor of Han Dynasty, ruled China from 202 SM to 195 SM.
Source: wikipedia====
[Takeru] Ah, how should I say it? I don’t know it for sure by myself, but I think by intuition more than any other human, yeah. Because I’m too stupid to utter something, in the end, I was just showing myself. That was how I feel it.
[Shou] I used to good in uttering something, yeah. When I was a kid, I asked too many questions about people’s face expression; there were things that I found it so hard to utter it. Because of those, I always thought, “How to express this feeling?” From there, I read a lot of books, you know. That too, even though I wanted to utter my thoughts to my partner in a smart way.
[Takeru] So that was it. People said I was not too good in uttering something, or, they said that I didn’t utter anything at all. But, when you see it from song’s lyrics, even Shou-san and me, the way we catch something as well as express something, were totally different, right.
Shou-san’s lyrics were really like outer space, there are a lot of them that giving the essence that the story was not from the real world, right. But, I was more to the real one.
Just now, after you said about contrast characters, perhaps, maybe in the company too we’re in the different types of band, right? There were a lot of differences from one band to another; but RUKI-san’s song’s lyrics were so realistic, right?
In practice, there are so many lyrics written based on things that already happened. For me, I wanted to write a lot of things that very close to my feelings, but I guess I can’t wrote the lyrics that Shou-san wrote, and I felt that it was a different thing from my sensitivity.
I thought, Alice Nine suits that kind of lyrics very much. There’s not much description in the lyrics. If I have to compare Alice Nine’s songs with movies, I think it would be like France’s movies. Even when you didn’t watch the whole movie, you can still catch the fragments.
[Shou] I see. Maybe it’s really like that, right. I didn’t expect that you can see the things about us. :D
[Takeru] I saw it! ‘Cause, when there were new releases, I would always listen to it! I always listen to company’s seniors’ and junior’s songs, you know. I saw the PV from the entire band too.
[Shou] Takeru is a greedy person in a lot of things, huh.
[Takeru] No, no, that’s scary. If I didn’t attach my antenna, I wouldn’t be able to catch anything, you know. Scared. I’m a coward.
[Shou] a coward, huh?
[Takeru] yes. Very.
—Even it didn’t look like that if you see it closely, right. But, it was so unexpected.
[Takeru] yeah, very much. :D But, in order to make my cowardice invisible, I always tried to show my influence so that I can be more confidence. :D
[Shou] I see. It’s really great.
[Takeru] Inside myself, there’s always, “In this one-man live, I want to bring myself into this level” or “In this single, I want to bring myself into this level.” I marked it, so that I can make efforts in order to face it, but I couldn’t reach the mark not even once. Because of that, I was thinking to continue the band. Now that I got the “greedy” word, I think, there’s this ‘coward’ too in it. Always, “Is it good if I do this?” ..“How can I get there?” ..“If it’s not complete, I won’t be able to get there, what should I do?” ..those were the existed cowardice, but I think there’s a part that seen as a ‘greediness’.
[Shou] so that was it. To me, ‘The person who can walk by themselves, how will they make the world able to hear their voice?” ..that kind of thing, doing a band was like to feel it. I might not able to feel it like Takeru did, I respect the attitude like Takeru’s very much, you know. For I don’t have it on my own.
[Takeru] But, because we’re humans, even when you said we’re thinking too much, well… … this was in our nature too … …
The unexpected agreement that … …
—Takeru-kun, from your point of view, how do you see Shou-kun?
[Takeru] if I see him not from my junior-point-of-view; can I say it as a listener? I’m sorry if I might say something wrong.
[Shou] No, no, it’s OK. :D
[Takeru] Shou-san, in previous supposition, “Doesn’t have any skills, but the type who got a lot of favor from his subordinate” ..earlier, you said it, right? But from my point of view,Shou-san is a massive person, and has the impression of person who protect his band. Here, recently, and even before, the feeling was so strong. The first time I listened to Alice Nine was “Kasou Musou Shi” (mini album, released in November, 2005). That time, I went to the CD store. I listened to the preview, and then I bought it.
[Shou] Oh, thank you. :D
[Takeru] Ahahaha. No, no, I think I’ve been a troublesome. :D That time, of course the songs composition, in neutrally, it has the charm to the blend concept of Western style and Japanese style.
From that moment, even thought the color of the band had already changed, I thought it was very interesting. To look at it, it was really turned into some kind of a stimulus, right?
I used to think that band was like a living thing. “Well, the band is living after all,” that was what I thought. Inside it, Shou-san was like seeing a band as whole, massive, and looked like was handling some plans. It was like that, I’m sorry, I said something impolite.
[Shou] No, no, I was really happy, you know. It’s just I didn’t expect to get any compliment. Just with honest words were already made me happy, you know. Speaking of which, at the previous talks, even though I was beaten on the wholly with the compliment about the GazettE-san :D but actually, I said like what I had in mind truly about the GazettE-san. Even when you gave the compliment directly to the person, I think, it was embarrassing; because I think the GazettE-san is a really cool band, yeah, I’ve already said it, yeah. It’s really hard for me to lie too. Because, if something is not cool, I won’t say it’s cool. It’s not a lie. Because in Takeru’s words, there’s no lie, it’s good, isn’t it? I think Takeru’s straightforwardness is so great, you know.
[Takeru] Thank you. Too straightforward, even I often got attacked too. :D ..I ever used this way of talking; the way that as if it might make others felt anxious… … it seems that I’m not good at expressing it.
[Shou] ‘Cause the level of the straightforwardness collided with other people, it sometimes can make you become the attack target, right. From that one thing only, if other people see Takeru, then I think we have proof about it. Because it’s good thing, you know. For me, because it felt so slick like eel, it’s just never receive harassment, huh. :D
[Takeru] Ahahaha. So that was it. :D Thank you. I’m happy to hear such soft words. Earlier, Shou-san said about reading a lot of books too. What kind of books did Shou-san read?
[Shou] like Agatha Christie and maybe so many more. You can call it run from the real world. I love that kind of wild world. Then, I like to read Edogawa Ranpo*) and Miyazawa Kenji**). I like abstract things. I like mystery or even fantasy.
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*) Edogawa Ranpo is Japanese litterateur who often wrote about detective novels (1894-1965)
**) Miyazawa Kenji (1896-1933) is Japanese litterateur in poetry and literature for children.====
[Takeru] I understand that fondness to Agatha Christie or even Edogawa Ranpo. I like Edogawa Ranpo so much too.
[Shou] Really. E, eh? In other words, today, I didn’t have to put too much effort to break from the inside, huh. :D
—it was because today, you can’t break it since it’s not a hard thing (lol). From the previous dialogue, I met with RUKI, “The next are Shou-kun and Takeru, right? Tell me about Shou after today’s meetings, OK? (lol)” he said it with full of interest, you know. (lol)
[Shou] no, no, it was it, wasn’t it. :D with that kind of RUKI-san, there’s this conversation about “Yutori Sedai”, right. :D
[Takeru] “Yutori Sedai”, there were a lot of people who see it as a wrong aspiration, but because you got leniency, there’s this thought about “use that leniency to own self”, right. To those people who use leniency for themselves, I think it’s reliable, you know.
[Shou] Right. It was like that, wasn’t it?
[Takeru] But, in our time, to unify so many things, I think it was when the world changed significantly, right. What we call with “Yutori Sedai” was also like that too, then cellphone that spread in short time, what I felt from those experiences, the human value was changing, right. It’s so, so, scary, right.
[Shou] It was like that, wasn’t it? We’re not that blind about the same era, but it’s more to how do we feel or to experience our own period is changing, right.
[Takeru] Yes, yes. Was that what we call with school period, because we’re still kid, right? Suddenly, the appointment that used to been said from mouth to mouth, were replaced by emails, and, because it’s already changed to time when we’re late, we can be still forgiven, right?
—Time when we’re late we can be still forgiven?[Takeru] Yes. When we have no cellphones, we weren’t allowed to be late from the appointment time. But, because the cellphones spreading and we can still send emails, when we send, “I’m sorry, I’ll be a late,” you can say it won’t be any problem anymore.
[Shou] Yeah, that’s right. :D ‘Cause I started to use cellphone when I was in high-school too, when I waited for someone for some appointment, and if the person won’t come, you just won’t know what to do at a time like that, right. :D
[Takeru] Yeah, yeah! Those kinds of changing were really happened in just half year with lots of things happened in one generation, and it’s scary, isn’t it?
[Shou] it’s the generation which change their lifestyle according to the experience, right.
[Takeru] Yes. ‘Cause when we’re in about third line generation or something, we’re absolutely going to be a digitalis generation, right! What we called with world changing was really great!
[Shou] Not long ago, I talked to youngsters and because when they said they don’t know about “Dragon Ball”, it was like a terror, right. :D
[Takeru] Ahahaha.
[Shou] I think, they might know about “Saint Seiya” or “Dragon Ball” … … :D whether they knew “Dragon Ball” or not, whether they were involved in some conversation or not, maybe it was in one criteria, right. :D
—So, it’s already thirty minutes. Please promise one thing.[Shou & Takeru] Eeh!? Promise!?
[Takeru] Again and again, it’s a sudden flow, huh. :D
[Shou] we’re not preparing our heart for this, are we. :D Ah, oh yes! Well then, next time, when Takeru want to but some clothes or go shopping, I’ll carry your things for you. :D
[Takeru] Hee!? I won’t make you do that! You shouldn’t make that kind of promise!
[Shou] No, because for me, I won’t go to shopping alone. As we do some shopping simulation, I’m the type of person who can’t go alone.
[Takeru] Ah! That goes with me too! I can’t concentrate in shopping when I’m all alone, it’ s an impossible thing.
[Shou] Right? Because of that, because I understand that feeling very much, it’s not about going to shopping together, but more to want to see the things we want to choose, as an assistant for purchase carrier. :D
[Takeru] Uwaaa~ but that’s a very high hurdle promise… …
—So, Takeru, next time Shou-kun will accompany you to go to shopping, OK?[Takeru] No, that’s weird, right!
[Shou] Ahahaha. Please say it as a conclusion in Takeru’s language. :D
[Takeru] No, no, no. :D Thank you very much for today!
[Shou] The pleasure is mine. It was fun. Next time let’s go eat together, OK. Thank you.
~owari
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